One thing I can say is I never hate a spin-off solely for the fact that it’s a spin-off. As much as I love Buffy the Vampire Slayer, as much as the movie and series shaped who I am, I will stand in the middle of a crowded street full of 25-40 year olds and openly talk about Angel being better written and better directed. Frasier, is in my opinion, one of the best sitcoms of all time in my eyes (for the record, I’m a terrible cusp millennial because Friends isn’t even in my top 5) and yet, I know next to nothing about Cheers!

And every now and then a spin-off will be far more memorable and successful than its mothership, because does anyone recall a little one season show called Good Morning, Miss Bliss? Of course you don’t, but you definitely know its still beloved spin-off Saved by the Bell (shout out to my favorite SBTB fanboy, Jensen Ackles).

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Buffy the Vampire Slayer spin-off Angel

Spin-offs can work. Backdoor pilots can work. No one said they can’t; no one said writers and producers shouldn’t try. Ultimately, the goal in Hollywood is to keep working. Shows end, ratings crash or actors tap out, nothing can go on forever, and that includes the longest running genre TV show in the United States, Supernatural. After years of going toe-to-toe against a former network head who wanted nothing more than to cancel the show that didn’t fit her vision of the post-WB network merger with CBS, The CW, Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles now breathe easy as the current network head, Mark Pedowitz, repeatedly trots out his promise that the show will go on as long as Jared and Jensen keep signing. Yes, there’s a caveat about ratings holding in there, too, but given The CW is a network with several shows pulling 0.3 or lower and a knack for scoring primo Netflix deals, the nearly thirteen-year-old Supernatural, with its 0.6 average, has little to worry about.

That said, thirteen seasons is a long time for two people to shoulder a show. Eventually, Jared Padalecki will have Sam Winchester unfold himself from Baby’s passenger seat one last time, and Jensen Ackles will have Dean Winchester pocket her keys for good. And in the wake of that moment will be hundreds of people without jobs. Unless the writers and producers can secure a successful spin-off and segue over seamlessly. It’s business.

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In 2013, staff writer Andrew Dabb began the task of crafting the first attempt at a Supernatural spin-off Supernatural: Bloodlines… and when it aired in 2014 it flopped. Straight up belly flopped. It was panned by not only critics and the fandom, but also by Jared and Jensen. A handful of years later, Dabb is now the Supernatural showrunner and taking another stab at expanding the franchise, and I’ll give him his; he listened. The primary criticism of Bloodlines was that the main characters were brand new, no one cared. Sam and Dean didn’t even know them so how could the audience be expected to care about them. So this time he and his writing partner, Robert Berens, scanned social media and the Supernatural convention circuit and found an idea to latch onto. They took the grassroots, Tumblr-centric fandom concept of Wayward Daughters and co-opted it, spinning a three (arguably five) episode introduction into their new project Wayward Sisters.

If you search the fantastic resource that is TV Tropes for “backdoor pilot” the first result is “poorly disguised pilot” which TV Tropes defines as “Episode in which the show’s primary characters take a back seat to secondary or, more likely, brand new characters in order to test the waters for a separate show. Differs from the traditional Spinoff in that the characters are clearly jammed in there just for the sake of the new show; it’s not a matter of primary characters becoming popular enough to break out on their own…As a general rule, if you’re watching a show and you find yourself asking questions like “Where did everybody go?”, “What are we doing here?”, “Who are these people?”, or, above all, “What is going on here?”, then you’re watching a Poorly Disguised Pilot.

In Bloodlines, Andrew Dabb threw new characters at the audience and the canon of the show out the window. With Wayward Sisters, Dabb and Berens managed to hit even more beats of the trope: new characters out of nowhere, the amazing disappearing Winchesters who are in the episode for approximately three minutes total and manage to steal their own show back in those brief moments and fridging of minority women.

Now, I can take the easy road. I can tell you why I’m not into the idea of this spin-off. I can be entitled and simply say “this is not the spin-off I wanted.” I can tell you that I felt backdoor pilot itself was just, in my opinion, not good television. I can tell you how the dialogue wasn’t fluid and how the blocking and directing were all over the place. I can tell you that I resent them taking the Kansas sanctioned Supernatural anthem “Carry on Wayward Son” and chopping up the title for the spin-off with a quaint gender twist. I can tell you how I don’t understand why Claire (Kathryn Newton) is considered a fan favorite when she’s just a cardboard cutout of the most standard “sullen white teen girl” on TV. I can tell you that, while I enjoy her in small doses, I don’t understand how the character of Donna Hanscum (Briana Buckmaster) is sustainable beyond joke fodder. I can stomp my feet over waiting weeks to see a dinosaur and instead, getting a mix between Marvel Comics The Thing and a Golgothan.

I can point out that stealing directly from the mothership nearly line for line, not once but twice, is trite, lazy writing. I can simply say, “I don’t like it” and walk away.

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But that’s cheap, that’s easy, and that ignores the very real issues with Wayward Sisters:

1)  It’s marketed directly to women; it’s being peddled as a revolutionary concept, this all-female cast… which is written, produced, directed, and edited completely by men. For a long time Supernatural has received criticism for being a boys’ club. The co-leads are two white males. Years ago, in season 3 the regulars were both women (Arrow’s Katie Cassidy and The Walking Dead’s Lauren Cohan), however, since then all contract regulars have been more white males. Despite how you feel about that, the fact is that Supernatural is a story about two brothers, the show has always done what it says on the tin. Diversity sounds great in soundbites, but it needs to come from the creative team, not just the visuals of the cast. With multiple shots of Briana Buckmaster’s posterior, lingering shots on Kathryn Newton’s doe eyes, and the soft music in the background of Kaia and Claire’s “you show me your scars and I’ll show you mine” scene, there’s no mistaking whose gaze this is written and shot in.

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2)  Speaking of diversity, let me tell you the problem with trying to write it from not only a place of gender ignorance but also racial ignorance: there are nuances white men will never understand about women and non-whites.

In the first backdoor episode, (episode 13.03, Patience) we see Patience Turner (Clark Backo), granddaughter of Missouri Mosley (Loretta Devine) who we hadn’t seen since season one. Patience is athletic, intelligent, well behaved and her father is someone we know exists, but rarely get to see: a successful black businessman who is also a single father, and a good one; loving, attentive, available. A man who wants nothing more than his daughter to grow up safely. And by the end of the episode, his entire parenting stance is blatantly undermined by Jody (Kim Rhodes), a white law enforcement officer who tells underage Patience that she doesn’t have to listen to her father. Eventually, Patience runs away. To Jody.

And oh yeah, Missouri was brought back just to be killed within the first act. So James Turner has now lost his mother and his daughter, leaving him alone and likely scared.

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3)  The next backdoor episode (13.09, The Bad Place) introduces Kaia Nieves (Yadira Guevara-Prip), here we have a haunted, scarred, dreamwalker. Who is also a recovering drug addict orphan. Who is later kidnapped at gun point by our hero, Dean Winchester. Let me repeat that: Dean Winchester pulled a gun on a teenaged brown girl and kidnapped her so he could force her to dreamwalk through worlds where monsters attack her so he can find his mommy. It gets better though. By the end of the official backdoor pilot (episode 13.10, Wayward Sisters), Kaia is gutted and left for dead by a hooded figure. A figure later revealed to be Kaia’s evil doppelganger. Not enough to kill a brown girl, gotta make her the Big Bad, too. All for Claire’s emotional path to begin.

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For those of you watching and counting at home, that’s, if I’m not mistaken, three women Robert Berens killed within three episodes, two of whom were non-whites.

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4)  Herein we explore another crime Wayward Sisters is guilty of: White Savior Syndrome. Sheriff Jody Mills is a den mother, taking in any and all teenage girls in need, orphans, and runaways. Which totally makes sense for a sheriff, but I digress. Sheriff Donna Hanscum is cute and quippy, oh don’cha know? Teaching teens how to (poorly) handle shotguns, dimples brightly on display as she spits out all the right answers. Briana Buckmaster sells the hell out of the character, but she makes no sense beyond the actress’ endearing performance. Claire Novak is miraculously a super hunter within months, surviving on her own, desperate for her surrogate family to give her space until someone that matters to her (after about a day) dies.

And the brown girls in the ep? They spend their time mostly going “we don’t know what to do, help us, protect us.”

It’s… I loathe using the term “problematic.” Instead, this is deeply troubling. Not because it was all done, but because no one was there to say “wait, maybe this isn’t the way to do it.”

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Years ago there were stories of how Sera Gamble would go to bat on issues of consent, specifically with regard to demons and angels inhabiting the bodies of women. Sam Winchester himself is a therapist’s dream; he’s been violated so often. This creative group needs a Sera Gamble. Hell, they need several Sera Gambles in varying races.

Now, make no mistake, despite the fact that the best part of the ep was the one and a half minutes we got of Sam and Dean surviving in the wilderness, I’m confident this spin-off will get picked up. Not only is it the second attempt, it’s the second attempt by the same writer who is the current showrunner. Additionally, Dabb and Berens crafted the perfect failsafe, if the fandom doesn’t receive it with open arms they clearly hate strong women, if the critics don’t fawn all over it they obviously hate strong women, if the network passes on it then the only answer the big wigs hate strong women, if it goes to pilot and crashes then the audience most definitely hates strong women. There is no mea culpa for these men; if it’s not a success it’s not their fault, it the lack of support for females. And if it does well? Heck, they get to be the great white male saviors themselves.

Well, played gentlemen. I’ll give you the hat tip you’ve yet to give Jared and Jensen for allowing you the opportunity to even try this. Good luck to you.

I just want people to THINK. To not be sycophantic sheep because their faves are praising it on social media. I want women and minorities to demand better. To create their own better. To stop depending on white men to deliver it to them on a platter.

And hey, since I’m playing nice and basically guaranteeing you a pickup, can I get a full episode of Winchester Survival Skills for Dummies, Andrew Dabb? Because my main take away from the backdoor pilot was that Dean is perfectly accepting and really, kinda content, with being stranded in a strange world foraging for food with only Sam by his side, and frankly, that’s the show I signed up for nearly 15 years ago.

39 COMMENTS

  1. Crowbarring diversity into a successful show will only weaken that show. So what if Supernatural doesn’t have enough women and brown people for your particular tastes? It has what it needs to have been a 13 year success. This is also why just doing it again with an all female/racially diverse cast will not replicate it’s success. It’ll just make a weaker, less popular female version of Supernatural. Sacrificing a great, solid show like Supernatural to the SJW movement is an insult to it’s millions of loyal fans.

  2. I agree with what the article stated about Wayward Sisters however you got 1 thing wrong. It was Dean who told Patience not to go into hunting and Jody went against what he said-not the father. Which by the way ruined the spin off right away because Dabb and company want us to believe these girls are family but Jody pulled Patience away from her family so that ruined Jody and the concept of family.
    What happened to me watching Wayward was I had tears in my eyes by the first commercial. Not because I enjoyed what I was watching but -which just surprised me- I was mourning what SPN used to be. These women were written like men not as badass women. I was watching a representation of what Sam and Dean were back in s1-s5 and sporadically in s6-12. Tough, badass, smart, MEN. Men who got out of ropes, got out of chains, hell got out of prison on there own. It was just so sad to see this so called spinoff knowing that Sam and Dean have been turned into whiny, cry baby woosies who need rescueing. Hell they aren’t allowed to kiss a woman anymore. Its just sad. I won’t be watching the spin off. Its a slap in the face of Sam and Dean and what they learned their whole lives that took these women a day or week to learn. Nope-not interested.

  3. Thank you! Just what I thought when watching this sad episode. Usually, rewatch all of them but I won’t this time…
    And, the Winchesters are not helpless, even if tied to trees! I would’ve enjoyed it more if Claire got to them while they were eating a lizard.
    Not a fan of this. I missed the brothers!

  4. What a disappointing review. A lot of people were well aware that a portion of fandom was prepared and actively involved in hating this show before it even aired, but I really wasn’t expecting someone to write an article with a point-by-point breakdown of how they hated it even before they ever saw it. A shame this person got a platform, but I guess I’m not surprised- there are LOTS of people who are fans of the show and can’t even handle an episode that contains other regular characters besides Sam and Dean- of course these people would go nuts over a whole show not focused on them. I do wish they weren’t so actively involved in trying to get people who like it to stop liking it, though, it just makes things awkward and weird.

    • I think you brought a lot of your own prejudices and baggage into this response. (Which is certainly understandable! Don’t we all?) While I watch SPN for the Winchesters, specifically Sam and Dean, I didn’t want Wayward Sisters to be, well, bland and chock full of plot holes. The success of WS doesn’t nullify the success of SPN. But I have to agree with most of the points in the article above.

      The review was disappointing to you because it didn’t reflect your viewpoints, you don’t like the reviewer as a person, and it’s pretty clear you don’t watch the show for Sam and Dean. This isn’t the review for you, but it doesn’t make it any less valid for others. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  5. Well stated and I agree !00% with your assessment of the spinoff. I have no interest in watching due to the poor premise, acting and story line. The biggest hindrance to watching for me is the character Claire, who I find to be one dimensional whiny lacking in any credibility, consumed by the mentality of being a legend in her own mind and poorly acted.
    For those who complained about the lack of strong women or that there was never a positive female representation in Supernatural. Strong women have been depicted as demons, angels, v friends, victims, psychics and hunters. Problem is that they were all killed. Meg, Anna, Ruby, and the real human women Ellen, Jo, Pamela, Missouri, Annie, Charlie, Sarah, Eileen.

    A spin off could have been made with real women – perhaps a prequel about the Winchesters and Campbells. Instead they gave us this potential spinoff of ” Bratty Wonder teen and her den mom”

    I will say that I do not need nor support the call for a female-led series. There are plenty of other shows to fit the bill and Supernatural is perfect the way it is. It is not only okay but perfect being predominantly male. Did they need a positive male representation on the Golden Girls? NO! The magic is in the original story. SPN is about the complex and deep relationship of two men-brothers, raised by men, their work of fighting monsters their ability to make the rules, and the insurmountable odds they continually face with love, responsibility, fear. sadness, and well developed skills honed over a lifetime; they are real and have heart and soul.

    • Well said!
      They have killed all of my favorite female characters and saved the ones I didn’t like. I enjoyed Jodie Mills but not here…

  6. Here’s a thought if they are going to launch a spin off showcasing women how about hiring women to write the script. No one involved in the writing, directing or production of this spin off was a woman….white or of color.
    The script was awful, the acting was worse and the best line of the night had to do with eating lizards.

    • And that line was said by Dean Winchester, not even one of their spin off characters. It’s been years since Supernatural, IMO, has gotten by with good writing(the occasionally genuinely well written episode not withstanding), they mainly survive because the acting rises above the material they are given. I don’t think any of the spin off actors, particularly the young ones, have that capability.

  7. Try #3 on comments!

    I find I agree with many of your points but only a few of your conclusions.

    First, I agree Angel and Fraiser were better than their motherships. But I disagree that “Wayward Sisters” was a “poorly disguised pilot”. I think they made Herculean efforts to promote it as a spinoff, there was no attempt at disguise. And this epsiode was completely consistent with other format bending episodes like “French Mistake”, “Weekend at Bobby’s”, and “Bitten”. So casual viewers are used to Supernatural going off-road. Plus each character was already introduced so I think it was less jarring that some others.

    Second, I also agree that emphasizing Clarie Novak and the “lingering shots” had that whiff of “WB and CW executive” stink. It was unpleasant and I hope they don’t let that muck up an actual spin-off. But I also think Berens did a great job of deflating Claire’s ego during the episode. First she needed Jody to save her from the Blue-goo monster (although she didn’t acknowledge it). Then she got a faceful of mortality with seeing one of Patience’ visions come true. And here she admitted her folly at thinking “going out in a blaze of glory” was a good idea. So she showed some humility there. Finally, she got the guilt from culpability associated with Kaia’s death. So although she showed some defiance at the end with her revenge statement, I think Berens made it clear that Clairs’ hubris is a problem that needs to be worked on. That’s a good thing IMO.

    Third, is the fridging issue. I think they actually subverted that trope. Between Dark!Kaia, the flowing blood around the knife wound on the body left behind, and Berens putting out a tweet with the whiteboard “Kaia Lives!” — I think it’s clear that there is some doubt as to whether or not we’ve seen the last of “nice” Kaia. It IS possible she was fridged, but I think it’s also possible we’ve got a Capt Kirk transporter accident (ala Dark!Charlie) situation.

    I totally agree with you that the spinoff will be picked up.

    I also agree with you that this was not the “show you signed up for”. Because it wasn’t and didn’t try to be. It was a spinoff pilot. Personally I love the ancillary characters. I like seeing Sam and Dean interact with them and seeing the #Supernatural Universe through their eyes. For a spinoff, I think they’ve picked an excellent concept that is going to perform well. I’m excited about that. I think the Supernatural universe has room for expansion and “Wayward Sisters” is going to be a good attempt to do so.

  8. This woman called Vinnie (if that’s her real name) needs to be fired for writing an anti- woman and anti-representation review of the pilot of Wayward Sisters stop watching the show you bronly and let others enjoy the good shit

    • Are you saying that you can’t enjoy the show if others don’t? How about stop reading articles you don’t like and let others enjoy reading reviews they agree with.

    • Yes someone should lose their job just because they dared write an accurately critical review of a show because they expect excellence and good quality not praise just for casting women. In fact, the author explains how the show failed in their “representation” attempt so did you just not read that part or do you just not really care about representation or women as much as you claim because you should care about how they have only killed POC at this point. The women are also just made to be female versions of the male characters rather than characters in their own right. That’s not pro women.

  9. Wonderfully written the most shitiest review ever of an episode of a series that has been airing since 13 years perhaps you were not even born, fucking great.

    You hate this spin off thats okay but writing all of this stooped too low, JUST because there women empowered and casted here and not the white male boys you have such a mysogonist and utter racist view of things| “Where did everybody go?”, “What are we doing here?”, “Who are these people?”, or, above all, “What is going on here?”, then you’re watching a Poorly Disguised Pilot. | THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS ASKED BY ONLY YOU AND 50 OTHER FANS YOU RALLY YOUR SIDE.

    I wonder if you even really love and respect Sam and Dean and ever just not fantasize just about the incest that’s not the show is about FYI I have been watching this wonderful show for 13 years.

    U KNOW WHAT I’LL HELP SAVE YOU THE MESS WHY NOT WE GET THE HELL OFF AND LET US ENJOY THE GOOD CONTENT AND YOU STAY WITH YOUR INCESTFUL BROTHERS AND FANTASIES WHILE US WE GET TO WATCH 2 AMAZING SHOWS Wayward Sisters and Supernatural AND see their crossovers and Greater joy of Jensen directing which he will like he said just fyi. You think because you are low, wonderful people like Jared and Jensen will be low and mysogonist too proves this in every part of your wonderfully written review.

    ALSO WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OTHER SPINOFF OF OTHER SHOWS you have such a distracted mind that you can’t even concentrate on supernatural episode review. Every freaking line you are talking about white and black. this is exactly the reason we need this show because you have a Neanderthal mind can’t even reason properly I am brown you must be a white and ur fans must be all WHITES too. You know what representation matters unlike UR TRUMPS AMERICA.

    LOOK AT YOUR HYPOCRISY YOU SAY FEMALE TO DEMAND BETTER All you do is hate on Female cast and characters technically kill them when their potentiality increases, hate on wives of Jared and Jensen when something you fantasize goes in the wrong direction.

    FYI WOMEN DEMANDED THIS WE DEMANDED TO BE WAYWARD AF Have something on our screen we feel we could relate to. Earlier it was the Brothers we could feel in our heart and their struggles but it was really nice to see women being so at par with them…I love one true legacy of Supernatural- Wayward Sisters

    • How dare someone write that women deserve better representation than to just be pale copies of existing male characters and their backstories. Just because we asked for it, doesn’t mean we can’t ask for the best, demand a higher standard, especially in solidarity with WOC.

    • You dirty disgusting feminazis are a disgrace to western civilization if it wasn’t for men you would have NOTHING your equal to men hahaha oh my sides are killing me.

  10. When They killed the new woman character of color, I bleated out loud, I couldn’t believe the ignorant temerity of Dabb et al. This current batch of writers and showrunners just suck, full of unearned drama and 2D characterizations. It works on paper but they can’t write or create. I wonder how “diverse” they will allow the creative team to be. I predict an ugly future backlash. You can only ride that “Diversity” train so long and not deliver. Though I hope it’s successful so Dabb at al will leave SPN for WS. New showrunner, please.

  11. As much as many of us want the SPN universe to expand, and for women to be better represented in the entertainment industry, I have to agree with Vinnie that Wayward Sisters didn’t quite get there for me, and had some pretty troublesome issues of its own. WS is the best possible hope SPN has for a spin-off at this point, but I wish it had been more thoughtfully constructed and represented. And had fewer plot holes.

    I’m not overly-forgiving of the flagship series; I’m not gonna be any less so on Wayward Sisters. It gets a “meh” from me.

  12. Well said and totally agree! I give 1 1/2 seasons, just because they are desperate for a spin off. I wish a prequel could be done. On HBO. Dark and gritty, like the early seasons of SPN. Instead we got sullen teenage Claire and chirpy sheriff Donna. Dabb is an idiot and has no depth, just like the writing.

  13. Oh god please stop with the diversity virtue signaling. Supernatural is a show about two white brothers. Millions of people like it. Deal with it.

    No one cares what color a character is when they get killed off. It case you haven’t noticed, Supernatural has killed off practically everyone including Sam and Dean.

    Wayward Daughters kinda sucked. And it’s not because it’s about strong women. It was a rip off of a show about two white brothers and the acting was wooden and the story wasn’t well written.

    And if it fails, it will be for those reasons and not because of anything regarding sex or race.

  14. Thank you for saying it!!
    I’m so incredibly frustrated to watch these later Seasons and see shadows of the brothers I feel in love with all those years ago.
    (I would watch a full season of Sam and Dean surviving in the wild on nothing but lizards, an open fire, and each other.)

  15. Very well said Vinnie, I personally was uncomfortable with the whole patience thing from the beginning. And from here on out it just sounds like it’s got even worse.

  16. Thank you saying all this. It/You expressed what I think and feel about this episode perfectly. Everyone needs to read this because that episode was awful. I hate that so much of my favorite show has been wasted on this dreck.

    I honestly can’t believe anyone thought it was good. Makes me question what kind of other shows they watch if they this was a good representation of is wanted when people say there needs to be more strong females on TV. I can name ten (past and present) that have much, much better and more believable strong women on them.

    Again thank you.

  17. I woudn’t watch the spin-off because its too far from supernatural so its basically a new show in the same universe. They should have done a spin-off years ago with Bobby or Garth. Even a spin-off this year with the other universe. They could have had Bobby, Mary, Kevin, etc. in the other universe. First season could have been them in the other universe then second season could have been in dean and sam universe. I’m female and personally I enjoy watching male actors.

  18. This expressed it all perfectly. I’ll be reccing this anywhere I see discussion, because the entire thing was just so heinous, I am rigid with fury about what’s being done to our show.

    Bring back Sam and Dean as they should be and send the pouty teens to their own show with my well wishes.I’m all in favour of strong women, but this wasn’t in any way what the label promised. I came away wondering what the definition of strong in the current writer’s room is, because the only female with any true strength at all was Alex. The rest of them were either belligerent or clueless.

  19. YES! YES! and YES! THANK YOU! This spin off was an insult. Literally I thought my brain cells were exploting when watching this stupidity.

    • Wonderfully written the most shitiest review ever of an episode of a series that has been airing since 13 years perhaps you were not even born, fucking great.

      You hate this spin off thats okay but writing all of this stooped too low, JUST because there women empowered and casted here and not the white male boys you have such a mysogonist and utter racist view of things| “Where did everybody go?”, “What are we doing here?”, “Who are these people?”, or, above all, “What is going on here?”, then you’re watching a Poorly Disguised Pilot. | THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS ASKED BY ONLY YOU AND 50 OTHER FANS YOU RALLY YOUR SIDE.

      I wonder if you even really love and respect Sam and Dean and ever just not fantasize just about the incest that’s not the show is about FYI I have been watching this wonderful show for 13 years.

      U KNOW WHAT I’LL HELP SAVE YOU THE MESS WHY NOT WE GET THE OFF AND LET US ENJOY THE GOOD CONTENT AND YOU STAY WITH YOUR INCESTFUL BROTHERS AND FANTASIES WHILE US WE GET TO AMAZING SHOWS TO WATCH Wayward Sisters and Supernatural AND see their crossovers and Greater joy of Jensen directing which he will like he said just fyi. You think because you are low, wonderful people like Jared and Jensen will be low and mysogonist too proves this in every part of your wonderfully written review.

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